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Old 07-07-2012
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One thing that I should add is that there is a very large gap between professional grade and consumer level products. I know that sounds very cliche, but it's like comparing OptiCoat 2.0 to Mother's carnauba - huge difference.

When we clean fuel injectors, we don't just pour a can of additives into the gas tank and send you on your way. We utilize an extremely caustic solution that is delivered directly to the fuel rail by an apparatus. This chemical is so caustic that it can potentially destroy the fuel pump and hoses, which is why we deliver it to the injectors directly. After purging the injectors, we then pour products like 44k into the gas tank and send you on your way

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Oil/Gas Additives...worth it?
Yes and no. First, you must determine if the vehicle requires the use of an additive. Then, you must find an effective additive that can address your concerns. Always remember that it is important to fix the root problem and not just the symptoms. If your forced to use a fuel injector cleaner every 6 months there's an underlying problem that needs to be addressed.

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Old 07-07-2012
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I don't use any oil additives but do use a fuel system cleaner every 5000 miles. I used to use BG44k but heard they changed the formula and stopped using the chemical that worked. Now I use redline si1 which has the additive. Hard to find the stuff, last time i bought it at orileys. Don't know if it helps but cars seems to work fine with no problems and it can't hurt to keep the injectors clean.

As far as sea foam I can honestly say that it works wonders. I had a 4runner with over 100,000 miles and it ran rough. Ran the sea foam thru the vacuum line and it worked great, the rough idle and hesitation went away. Truck ran perfect again. Sure was embarrassing to drive around with smoke billowing out the back for the first 15 minutes. I'll do a sea foam treatment thru the vacuum line about every 60,000 miles.
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Old 09-08-2012
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BG44k still contains PEA which as you've mentioned is also in the SL1 additive.

While seafoam isn't completely useless, it's just not the most effective "cleaner" out there. It's sort of like using hand-soap to clean greasy pans.

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I used to add 104+ octane booster, and the gains, if any, were negligible. With the price per can (about $10), I just couldn't justify the cost of fuel with the added expense of fuel additives. I'd much rather pay $25 to fill-up my car, versus $35+ with the octane booster.

Instead, I'm thinking of using K&N's Filtercharger (direct OEM replacement drop-in style) for my car. More airflow translates to better power and fuel efficiency. And since it's re-usable, it's going to last my car's lifetime, which translates to even more savings. Hehe....now I can buy more detailing stuff!

Of course I'll still be taking my car to the local Firestone or dealership for heavier-duty fuel system cleaning if needed since the products they use are much more powerful than OTC brands.
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Old 09-20-2012
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Makoto where do you work? I used to do this when i was in automotive and cant find anyone who does it anymore. Might want to do it soon.
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I used to add 104+ octane booster, and the gains, if any, were negligible. With the price per can (about $10), I just couldn't justify the cost of fuel with the added expense of fuel additives. I'd much rather pay $25 to fill-up my car, versus $35+ with the octane booster.

Instead, I'm thinking of using K&N's Filtercharger (direct OEM replacement drop-in style) for my car. More airflow translates to better power and fuel efficiency. And since it's re-usable, it's going to last my car's lifetime, which translates to even more savings. Hehe....now I can buy more detailing stuff!

Of course I'll still be taking my car to the local Firestone or dealership for heavier-duty fuel system cleaning if needed since the products they use are much more powerful than OTC brands.

Careful with the K&N. The oil on the filter has been known to contaminate the MAF. They do more harm than good. Look around on forums. Dry filters are best!
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One thing that I should add is that there is a very large gap between professional grade and consumer level products. I know that sounds very cliche, but it's like comparing GTechniq to Mother's carnauba - huge difference.

When we clean fuel injectors, we don't just pour a can of additives into the gas tank and send you on your way. We utilize an extremely caustic solution that is delivered directly to the fuel rail by an apparatus. This chemical is so caustic that it can potentially destroy the fuel pump and hoses, which is why we deliver it to the injectors directly. After purging the injectors, we then pour products like 44k into the gas tank and send you on your way

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Yes and no. First, you must determine if the vehicle requires the use of an additive in the first place. Then, you must find an effective additive that can address your concerns.
is this type of fuel rail service as needed annually as the stealerships recommend, or is something like every 2-4 years more like it--especially given a new(er) car?
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Careful with the K&N. The oil on the filter has been known to contaminate the MAF. They do more harm than good. Look around on forums. Dry filters are best!
Thanks for the hint. Maybe I'm better off keeping everything stock. Last thing I need is an engine problem.
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Thanks for the hint. Maybe I'm better off keeping everything stock. Last thing I need is an engine problem.
Hi Ross, It was nice meeting you and your wife at the Shak. Are you still on Island? Sorry missed your post.
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Hi Ross, It was nice meeting you and your wife at the Shak. Are you still on Island? Sorry missed your post.
Hi, Ron! It was great meeting you as well. We arrived back in TX Friday, and we're already making plans for a return trip. Not sure when that will be as yet, but hopefully by the end of the year.

Take it easy, bruddah Ron....and have a great Sunday!
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Old 12-30-2012
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I used to add 104+ octane booster, and the gains, if any, were negligible. With the price per can (about $10), I just couldn't justify the cost of fuel with the added expense of fuel additives. I'd much rather pay $25 to fill-up my car, versus $35+ with the octane booster.
Octane boosters do very little. The most popular OTC brands will only increase octane by "up to 4-6 points!" Most people will calculate this as:
87 octane + 4 octane points = 91 octane.

Unfortunately, 1 octane point has the numerical value of "0.1":
87 octane + 4 octane points = 87.4 octane

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is this type of fuel rail service as needed nnually as the stealerships recommend, or is something like every 2-4 years more like it--especially given a new(er) car?
Frequency depends on your driving conditions. Those who travel short-distances for example, may need it on an annual basis. Others who drive 30 miles a day may not need it until their 30k, 60k, 90k service.

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