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Old 10-26-2014
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Two weeks ago applied Wolf's Hard Body applied two coats per instructions apply First coat and wait three hours before applying second coat. Let hard body cure for twenty two hours to give ample time to cross link and bond. After two weeks passed by, did a traditional car wash useing mark v very cherry rinsed car off and sheeted very well. This morning wiped off car with waffle weave towel because of overnight rain, after wipe down noticed some of previous sleekness gone what happened?
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Two weeks ago applied Wolf's Hard Body applied two coats per instructions apply First coat and wait three hours before applying second coat. Let hard body cure for twenty two hours to give ample time to cross link and bond. After two weeks passed by, did a traditional car wash useing mark v very cherry rinsed car off and sheeted very well. This morning wiped off car with waffle weave towel because of overnight rain, after wipe down noticed some of previous sleekness gone what happened?
I have wiped off over night rain water without any drying aid and found the paint to be grabby. When doing this, I now wipe most of the ponding water off with my hand and then lightly spray a drying aid (FK425-Aqua Wax) before wiping. Rain water is supposed to be pure (no calcium), but it must be leaving a grabby film behind. Try re-washing with soap and see if that helps. BTW this happened with my old G and new Altima with Hard Body on the paint.
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Old 10-27-2014
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I had a little issue with Hard Body as well. Mine lasted a bit longer (5 months) compared to your two weeks; but the quality of the hydrophobic action degraded significantly. The beading is not really as structured as say a EXO, C1, 22PLE, C2, Overcoat, etc. The hard body has flatter beads and they seem to stop organizing so well shortly after.

Supposedly, it is still protecting after the eye candy dies, but when I started seeing flat sheets of pools, I figured it was a lost cause. Much less than the timeframe advertised. Not sure if it's like Ron says where its really susceptible to waffle weave towels or minerals, but I have other choices I prefer over hard body. I had originally reasoned it had something to do with the Eraser that I used as a prep (never again), but maybe after your post, its something further.

Granted for the ease of the application at the time, its still pretty good as a 3+mo product (although I guess not in your case) and the price makes it fairly attractive. But nowadays, there a lots of wipe on solutions that do wonders (including its own little brother). I still use it at times on the wifes car, but with an expected lifespan of a few months.

Just my opinion.
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I had a little issue with Hard Body as well. Mine lasted a bit longer (5 months) compared to your two weeks; but the quality of the hydrophobic action degraded significantly. The beading is not really as structured as say a EXO, C1, 22PLE, C2, Overcoat, etc. The hard body has flatter beads and they seem to stop organizing so well shortly after.

Supposedly, it is still protecting after the eye candy dies, but when I started seeing flat sheets of pools, I figured it was a lost cause. Much less than the timeframe advertised. Not sure if it's like Ron says where its really susceptible to waffle weave towels or minerals, but I have other choices I prefer over hard body. I had originally reasoned it had something to do with the Eraser that I used as a prep (never again), but maybe after your post, its something further.

Granted for the ease of the application at the time, its still pretty good as a 3+mo product (although I guess not in your case) and the price makes it fairly attractive. But nowadays, there a lots of wipe on solutions that do wonders (including its own little brother). I still use it at times on the wifes car, but with an expected lifespan of a few months.

Just my opinion.
There has been some issues with Hard Body with durability and application. Wolf's has a new formula called Body Guard that addresses these issues. I had Hard Body on my uncovered G for over a year with great protection. Granted the beads were not tight like Sonax Polymer Net Shield, but it did the job. I have several customers that have the same experience as I did with Hard Body. Hoping that the new Body Guard will give a year of protection.
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Old 10-28-2014
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Aloha jnaks, Rsurfer: thank u for your experiences with the Wolf.Got up 6am today and did a traditional car wash using carPro Reset. Maybe like Ron mentioned to me that the Mark V did leave a residual film of soap on the surface of paint. Will be using CP Reset on wife's Camry in the future. I seem to like Reset it's concentrated, bubble sudsy and doesn't strip already applied wax, sealants on car surface.The shine and dept of gloss plus sheeting remains, hope slickness comes back to some degree if indeed it was the residual soap of the Mark V. Regarding durability it's supposedly rated for 2 yrs. we'll see and find out won't we. Once again thank's to the Shak's Forum it is a great imput from fellow shaker's to help one another. MAHALO'S Raurfer, Jnak's.
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I haven't done a traditional soap and 2 bucket for almost 3 years now, but when I used to wash with the traditional method(with CG Citrus wash ), soap somehow always leaves a film on top after rinsing. Adding less soap and some ONR eliminated the most of residue after rinsing, btw ONR mix with soap reduces suds, but it was ok for me.

Carpro Reset is nice on a foam cannon, thick foam.
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Aloha ffguy808, thank's for your Imput and tip adding some onr to reg wash soap, I'll give it a try next time. Mahalo!
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Old 10-29-2014
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I put Hard Body on a Corolla that sits outside basically 24/7/365 and it lasted quite some time. The initial insane water behavior does taper off, but it dead bead for quite some time. I think I hit it once or possibly twice (I really think once, though) with Reparation after a wash, but other than that it never saw any special topping up or maintenance.

I'm not sure which variant of CG Citrus that ffguy808 used, but with Citrus Wash Clear I did notice the beading falls completely flat when rinsing. The beading would show back up at the next rain, though. Despite CG's claims to the contrary, I think CWC may contain gloss enhancers or something that sticks around on the paint. With Auto Finesse Lather (version 2 is what I have, I think, the one before the current version) the beading was unaffected when rinsing. AF claims Lather has no gloss enhancers or anything and is a "pure" shampoo. Between the two brands I'd trust AF to describe their product more accurately.

I seem to recall Jesse from Wolf's saying something about wetting agents in the Wolf's shampoos that allow moisture to get into the "nano bridges" as he calls them which temporarily affect the beading until the moisture fully evaporates. I can't find the post I'm thinking of, though. He also does claim that washing with normal shampoos may clog the "nano bridges" and that also affects the beading.

Since he's not the chemist behind the formulas, or a chemist in general, some of the answers you get out of Wolf's seem more like guesses filled with marketing terms. There aren't a lot of brands where the chemist behind the chemicals actually gives answers to consumers, though. OPT and Duragloss are the only two I can think of off the top of my head where I've seen the chemists answer consumer questions. Other times Meguiar's and Mothers get chemist answers through the brand reps on forums, but I don't think I've seen their chemists give answers directly.
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I put Hard Body on a Corolla that sits outside basically 24/7/365 and it lasted quite some time. The initial insane water behavior does taper off, but it dead bead for quite some time. I think I hit it once or possibly twice (I really think once, though) with Reparation after a wash, but other than that it never saw any special topping up or maintenance.

I'm not sure which variant of CG Citrus that ffguy808 used, but with Citrus Wash Clear I did notice the beading falls completely flat when rinsing. The beading would show back up at the next rain, though. Despite CG's claims to the contrary, I think CWC may contain gloss enhancers or something that sticks around on the paint. With Auto Finesse Lather (version 2 is what I have, I think, the one before the current version) the beading was unaffected when rinsing. AF claims Lather has no gloss enhancers or anything and is a "pure" shampoo. Between the two brands I'd trust AF to describe their product more accurately.

I seem to recall Jesse from Wolf's saying something about wetting agents in the Wolf's shampoos that allow moisture to get into the "nano bridges" as he calls them which temporarily affect the beading until the moisture fully evaporates. I can't find the post I'm thinking of, though. He also does claim that washing with normal shampoos may clog the "nano bridges" and that also affects the beading.

Since he's not the chemist behind the formulas, or a chemist in general, some of the answers you get out of Wolf's seem more like guesses filled with marketing terms. There aren't a lot of brands where the chemist behind the chemicals actually gives answers to consumers, though. OPT and Duragloss are the only two I can think of off the top of my head where I've seen the chemists answer consumer questions. Other times Meguiar's and Mothers get chemist answers through the brand reps on forums, but I don't think I've seen their chemists give answers directly.
Your explanation is right on Turbo, thanks.
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Aloha all...

Thank you all for all your input. I use quick detailers w/polymers such Ultima Waterless Wash + Concentrate and other spray sealants, spray waxes, etc. So I'm constantly layering if you will on my base protection so it is always beading.

Thank you & Aloha,
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Checked wife's camry this morning, and remnants of rain water still on car hood and roof had tight beads trunk deck had tight and round flat beads. Ran finger over paint surface with water beads and was slick . Plan to later apply optimum spray wax for additional protection of uv etc
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